tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2304235862479840318.post1741625638237777470..comments2024-01-08T04:16:25.601-08:00Comments on Ché (What You Call Your) Pasa: Kropotkin's "The Coming Revolution" as Visualized by MagazinChé Pasahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01926630891287949373noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2304235862479840318.post-43683961621366943922012-04-11T05:29:04.863-07:002012-04-11T05:29:04.863-07:00"Infinite assemblies?" Hm. That isn'..."Infinite assemblies?" Hm. That isn't what I see at all. <br /><br />Some go on to excess, to be sure, but most that I've seen are very efficient and relatively brief. We can question the results, but now that people are more familiar with the process, that part works. The networks between Occupys have been strengthened too while preserving autonomy.<br /><br />As I see it, Kropotkin's vision won't be realized in detail because it can't be. Kropotkin was a man of his place and his age, and today's global situation is quite different. Yet many elements of what he believed was right are engendered through and by at least some of the Occupy ways of dealing with needs and problems.<br /><br />It's almost automatic.Ché Pasahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01926630891287949373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2304235862479840318.post-39180771536042761972012-04-10T04:59:43.811-07:002012-04-10T04:59:43.811-07:00No I dont think, occupy is the same thing like kro...No I dont think, occupy is the same thing like kropotkin vision. Kropotkins utopia is a very pragmatic association of the workers for the purposes and needs not only for them but for everybody. Sometimes big sometimes small sometimes restricted to a local area sometimes in the whole world, sometimes only a short time, some times a long time. They are organising the work to do without having things like money or capital or evan a state between the people.<br /><br />Today many people are thinking: Okay nothing works like i want it and nobody even asks me, so in an utopian society everything must be turbo democratic and i have to discuss everything. But thats not Kropotkin. He is not that naive and it is possible to have some big industrial plans to decide what to do and it is not like everybody must agree and so we have to talk and talk, but it is more pragmatic. Its more optimistic like, why should anybody disagree, because its a good descision, made by some reasonable people who think about the content of their plans and not about profit, stockholders, wages and other capitalistic things making every of their decision about society or production wrong. <br /><br />The infinite assambleas of occupy seems more like an infinite palaver, perhaps the first step for some sort of new radical organisation, but not a model for a completly changed mode of production and consumation.Franz Hahnhttp://www.magazinredaktion.tknoreply@blogger.com