Progress in the face of the Modern American Imperium
Ché,I'm getting to be a broken record. But, damn. That's well said. It's probably not healthy to agree with someone 100%, but I do. Thanks. My own views are still evolving, and . . . as I mentioned, I'm trying to get back to some old things and find some new, all in the service of gaining more understanding and a better way of framing my despair. And it is real despair. I really don't know why I waste so much time over at Glenn's or Salon in general. Or, for that matter, on any site. It's time for me to find something in the real world instead. Have you heard of these organizations:http://www.pes.org/http://www.etuc.org/Any insights into them? "the real left". Many claim the mantle. Who do we trust?
I could be wrong...Jane may actually have said we, on the left, although I don't recall her ever saying it. Glenn may have said, we on the left although I don't recall him ever saying it, either. It's my impression that they have been assigned a position on the left whether they claim it for themselves or not. Personally, I don't think of either of them as Left. I think of them only as two of the most liberal voices out there. It's unfortunate that I am required to remind myself - often - that liberalism didn't used to be the sole purview of the Left. That it is now is regrettable, but that doesn't make either Jane or Glenn Left except in our media's (and some wishful readers') imagination.... and, stand ready to be corrected.~ bystander
bystander,Most of what I'm referring to is their marketing as Voices of the Left, Leaders no less.To which none of them make any objection. Well, Arianna does sometimes, when she says she's really more of a "moderate" or "centrist."I've noticed both Glenn and Jane position themselves as "Progressives" -- of course without defining the term, something verboten on the Internets. And they are at pains to discuss what other Progressives should be doing or should believe.Which is of course to follow their lead on issues of importance to them.But they are not Leftists, not even remotely so far as I can tell.Glenn is really an enigma when it comes to political ideology. It's ironic as hell that he rails against Elena Kagan's being a "blank slate" when that's really what he has very consciously been himself with regard to his own political/economic/social ideology -- apart from civil liberties issues.But even on civil liberties and Constitutional issues, he's not really on the Left, nor is he even necessarily liberal. The "Citizens United" episode made that abundantly clear. Like Jonathan Turley, he's a formalist and a legalist. Essentially a libertarian if not a closet Federalist. Sometimes liberal in a classic sense, sometimes reactionary, such as when he says he's an absolutist on First Amendment issues. Absolutism of any kind -- including Constitutional absolutism -- is utterly contrary to the Enlightenment and the political philosophy that informed our Founders -- who were extraordinarily liberal for their time (though highly conservative by our own lights. We've grown!)There is an immense vacuum of public leadership on the Real Left in this country. Someone's going to fill it no matter, and for now -- for the media -- that means that Jane and Glenn among others will be assigned the role, and they will not refuse. Why should they?That doesn't mean that matters of social and economic justice, environmentalism, re-building community and so on don't have their activists and leaders. They do. But you're unlikely to see them on the shows...!
Cu-hool,No, I wasn't familiar with either of those organizations. My lack of Euro-cred! But then, given the capitulation of most of Europe's Social Democratic and even Socialist governments to the demands of the banksters, you've really got to wonder if anybody can stand up to them.I've been noting how the Tory/LibDem coalition in Britain is being hailed as a model for political reconciliation in the United States. Notice what's wrong with this picture? Of course: Labour -- the British version of Social Democrats -- is completely out of the picture. Well, isn't that special.What's the model we're supposed to see here? Simple, isn't it? Move Right! That's right. Slough off the Progressives (in the context of Congress, the Progressive Caucus and all those creaking old nasty Liberals still in the Senate) and let the Republicans and the moderate Dems join up with one another to get things done.Like what? I think we know, don't we? The final consolidation of Government and Corporate interest and power, unquestioned global hegemony, and oh, yes, just a little bit of downward adjustment to the present and future of the masses.Sigh.
Ché,
ReplyDeleteI'm getting to be a broken record. But, damn. That's well said.
It's probably not healthy to agree with someone 100%, but I do.
Thanks.
My own views are still evolving, and . . . as I mentioned, I'm trying to get back to some old things and find some new, all in the service of gaining more understanding and a better way of framing my despair.
And it is real despair.
I really don't know why I waste so much time over at Glenn's or Salon in general. Or, for that matter, on any site. It's time for me to find something in the real world instead.
Have you heard of these organizations:
http://www.pes.org/
http://www.etuc.org/
Any insights into them?
"the real left". Many claim the mantle. Who do we trust?
I could be wrong...
ReplyDeleteJane may actually have said we, on the left, although I don't recall her ever saying it. Glenn may have said, we on the left although I don't recall him ever saying it, either. It's my impression that they have been assigned a position on the left whether they claim it for themselves or not. Personally, I don't think of either of them as Left. I think of them only as two of the most liberal voices out there. It's unfortunate that I am required to remind myself - often - that liberalism didn't used to be the sole purview of the Left. That it is now is regrettable, but that doesn't make either Jane or Glenn Left except in our media's (and some wishful readers') imagination.
... and, stand ready to be corrected.
~ bystander
bystander,
ReplyDeleteMost of what I'm referring to is their marketing as Voices of the Left, Leaders no less.
To which none of them make any objection. Well, Arianna does sometimes, when she says she's really more of a "moderate" or "centrist."
I've noticed both Glenn and Jane position themselves as "Progressives" -- of course without defining the term, something verboten on the Internets. And they are at pains to discuss what other Progressives should be doing or should believe.
Which is of course to follow their lead on issues of importance to them.
But they are not Leftists, not even remotely so far as I can tell.
Glenn is really an enigma when it comes to political ideology. It's ironic as hell that he rails against Elena Kagan's being a "blank slate" when that's really what he has very consciously been himself with regard to his own political/economic/social ideology -- apart from civil liberties issues.
But even on civil liberties and Constitutional issues, he's not really on the Left, nor is he even necessarily liberal. The "Citizens United" episode made that abundantly clear.
Like Jonathan Turley, he's a formalist and a legalist. Essentially a libertarian if not a closet Federalist. Sometimes liberal in a classic sense, sometimes reactionary, such as when he says he's an absolutist on First Amendment issues. Absolutism of any kind -- including Constitutional absolutism -- is utterly contrary to the Enlightenment and the political philosophy that informed our Founders -- who were extraordinarily liberal for their time (though highly conservative by our own lights. We've grown!)
There is an immense vacuum of public leadership on the Real Left in this country. Someone's going to fill it no matter, and for now -- for the media -- that means that Jane and Glenn among others will be assigned the role, and they will not refuse. Why should they?
That doesn't mean that matters of social and economic justice, environmentalism, re-building community and so on don't have their activists and leaders. They do. But you're unlikely to see them on the shows...!
Cu-hool,
ReplyDeleteNo, I wasn't familiar with either of those organizations. My lack of Euro-cred!
But then, given the capitulation of most of Europe's Social Democratic and even Socialist governments to the demands of the banksters, you've really got to wonder if anybody can stand up to them.
I've been noting how the Tory/LibDem coalition in Britain is being hailed as a model for political reconciliation in the United States. Notice what's wrong with this picture? Of course: Labour -- the British version of Social Democrats -- is completely out of the picture. Well, isn't that special.
What's the model we're supposed to see here? Simple, isn't it? Move Right! That's right. Slough off the Progressives (in the context of Congress, the Progressive Caucus and all those creaking old nasty Liberals still in the Senate) and let the Republicans and the moderate Dems join up with one another to get things done.
Like what? I think we know, don't we? The final consolidation of Government and Corporate interest and power, unquestioned global hegemony, and oh, yes, just a little bit of downward adjustment to the present and future of the masses.
Sigh.